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salinity error?

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:54 pm
by fwadiver
My salinity reading seems wrong. when i calibrate the factor was approx 3100, when done it reads the 35ppt solution as 3.5, says tank is 3.0 now, is that in ppt? as well?


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Re: salinity error?

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:14 pm
by rimai
Sorry, can you rephrase?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:15 am
by fwadiver
ok 2 fold, salinity displays on my head units as 2.17ppt instead of 27.1ppt, also, according to my refractometer my salinity is closer to 31ppt than the 27 its reading, should i try to recalibrate, or can i tweak the setting manually?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:23 am
by rimai
I think it is your code that is placing the decimal point in the wrong place.
Can you post?
Your banner shows 27.
Make sure the calibration is in the same temperature as the tank.
1 degree makes a huge difference.
Conductivity is highly affected by temperature.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:38 am
by fwadiver
so like float the vial of calibration solution in the tank while doing the calibration?

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ReefAngel.LCD.DrawText(0,255,43,48,"Salinity");
      ConvertNumToString(text, ReefAngel.Params.Salinity, 100);
      ReefAngel.LCD.DrawLargeText(COLOR_LIMEGREEN, 255, 49, 58, text, Num8x8);
      pingSerial();

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:06 am
by rimai
Yes, that would make them same temp :)

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ConvertNumToString(text, ReefAngel.Params.Salinity, 100);
The 100 is how much the parameter is being divided by. You need to change it to 10.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:06 am
by rimai
100 is for pH which has 2 decimal points

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:58 am
by fwadiver
recalibrated on friday with heated solution, error seems greater now, currently my refractometer says 34ppt, reef angel says 26...

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:04 am
by rimai
Here is what I'd like you to do.
1. Fill a cup with tank water
2. Place the probe inside
3. Calibrate using the cup of water.
4. Does it show 35ppt in the screen?
5. Leave the probe in there for a day or two. It should fluctuate a little as the temperature changes and evaporation occurs, but I just want to see what kind of readings you are getting.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:07 am
by fwadiver
Roberto,

did as you requested this morning, Calibrated and it did display the 35ppt this morning, probe is in a mason jar half full of tank water. Can you see the graph info from the portal or would you like me to post the reading info?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:10 am
by rimai
Leave it there to build up some history.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:08 pm
by fwadiver
yup, plan is to leave it there until we get this figured out :)

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:52 pm
by rimai
Looks pretty stable in there now, huh?
You may be picking up interference somewhere.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:56 am
by fwadiver
looking at data over the weekend there were large swings in salinity on the hour every hour, dosing pumps maybe?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:23 am
by rimai
Nah, those swings were something that was messing up the readings. Do you see that when you moved the probe to the cup, the readings got stable?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:46 pm
by fwadiver
yes but dosing the calcium and alkalinity salts was causing the reading to swing untill they dispersed through the tank, the dosing pumps and the probes are in the same area of the sump. Or do you think its electrical interference/noise? Dont have a scope here, its packed somewhere in my storage unit, I will try and dig it out and see if i cant use a 50ohm tap to read the sensor to look for noise

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:26 am
by fwadiver
well stuck the probe back in my aquarium and it is going crazy again, any idea what to do to calm it down?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:28 am
by rimai
You must have some sort of stray voltage going on.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:48 am
by fwadiver
roberto i am not measuring any stray voltage in the tank at all, only other source i can think of is the ballasts for my light and the ph unit are kinda near eachother, I am going to try and move them to opposit sides of the tank and see what happens.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:38 am
by fwadiver
well found a small stray voltage 0.3VAC its only on the one side of the power strip and only between the common, the potential isint there with the safety ground blah! guess its time to go shutting everything down one at a time to see what it is.. or get a grounding probe.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:04 am
by rimai
Try removing the floats from the water

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:30 pm
by fwadiver
no floats, the thing that keeps bugging me is the ph seems fine, but salinity is still always up and down

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:47 pm
by rimai
I'm looking at your chart and it is so odd that it seems to follow a pattern.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:28 am
by dazza1304
Maybe a silly thought, but I had similar things that turned out to be my fault.

To minimise sockets, I used a shared a power supply for multiple expansion units, which caused interference.

Do you have separate power supplies for all you expansion units?

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:20 pm
by fwadiver
yes, the ones that need power supplies each has their own.

Re: salinity error?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:29 pm
by fwadiver
and now it seems to be stuck on 6ppt.....