SpeedWave/Jebao DC pumps

[rimai]

Hey guys,

I got myself one of those SpeedWave DC pump last week, but only had the time to get around to take a look at it today.

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I was told they had the same connector as the Jebao pumps.
Guess what???
It's identical!!!
What does it mean?
It means that we can control all these pumps too
They are all made in China and sold at various different names: Diablo, SpeedWave, Waveline, Jebao, Boyu and who knows how many more....
They use the same technology as the Jebao pump, so we already have the cable, which in turn means we are all set for more controllable things for us to play with
Isn't it nice of the Chinese manufacturers to create something we already can control

[DrewPalmer04]

So you're saying...return pump we can slow down while feeding, etc instead of on/off only???

[Marco]

The world is a magical place... thank goodness for Chinese consistency.

[lnevo]

Or add some additional random flow

[DrewPalmer04]

This completely eliminates the LAST consistently annoying consistent flow in our tanks. The ocean is never consistent...our tanks are now that much closer to their natural habitats. Horray! Now I need one!

[Piper]

They use the same technology as the Jebao pump

So it's a 0-5v analog dimming?

How's the noise on it? I had to ditch my LG external pump when I replaced my leaking sump in December and all I had at the time was a Quite One internal pump with is a tad too loud for me. I like the idea of a controllable DC pump but I think I might let you test it out for a while first

~Charlie

[rimai]

Well, I had it inside a bucket, so there wasn't much noise, but if you use it external, it may be a little too loud. It has a pitch noise.
I should put it online in the a week or two to see how it is in a real scenario.

[rimai]

Forgot to answer your question... Yes. 0-5VDC analog dimming

[Piper]

I would use it submerged so it might be a good fit for me. I checked around a little a many of the comments/reviews say they are quiet.

I would feel a lot better turning the flow on the pump way down rather than shutting it off all together in feeding mode. I found that you typically run into pump problems trying to restart them after shutting them down I have my auto-feeder hooked up to the RA now and I do not going into feeding mode when I trigger it for just that reason.

~Charlie

[Joost de Vries]

The Waveline and Boyu pumps are different from the others you've listed. The waveline is basically the grand daddy with a different heatsink design and controller, which has been basically been knocked off by the other pumps (although knock off is a relative term considering these are return pumps with a DC controller... that said some companies are using misleading advertising, but I'm getting off topic). The Boyu doesn't include a controller at all and is actually controlled by a weird dial on the rear of the pump with three speeds (thus the cheap price). Speedline/Jeabo/Diablo however all appear identical and should work with existing setup. Hope that clears things up!
Boyu speed dial:

[Joost de Vries]

I digress on the waveline pump, the original model at least appears identical to all the other pumps. That said, they've recently upgraded their design/ controller so I guess things are still up the air on that one (though I would be surprised if they would go through the hussle of changing the cables/ voltages...)

[rimai]

Thanks for the info, Joost!!
Very informative

[markywmson]

I have this pump. It's amazingly quiet and I love it being controlled by my RA (thank Roberto for working with me on that earlier!)

Highly recommend for in-sump usage. I have read things on RC about these (and others of the ilk) having a proclivity to leak when used in an external application. There apparently is a new o-ring you can get that solves it, but not 100% sure on the specifics. Either way, the controller it comes with is nice... controlling it with my RA is NICER!

[DrewPalmer04]

What's the price tag on one?

[rimai]

I don't sell them

[markywmson]

I got mine from Premium Aquatics, got the 5000 and I think it was like 150. I want to get the bigger one for my closed loop with the Ocean Motion when I get my 120g set up.

[Hudds]

As far as I know, there are 5 different alternatives regarding these DC return pumps.

Can we tell which one is controllable by RA and which not?
I guess Rimai you are refering to No.3?

1. Boyu pump (GX4P model) with the 3 speed dial at the back of the pump (like the photo Joost uploaded)


2. Boyu pumps (JNB & GXB models) without any speed dial or control box.






3. SpeedWave & Waveline DC pumps DC 3.000/5.000/10.000 with 6 speed control box (The "current / old" model)





4. Waveline DC pumps DC 4.000/6.000/12.000 with control box (The "forthcoming / new" model). From what I've read in respective RC thread, they will start selling with the old control box (the right one in the photo). I quote:

"All of the new 4000, 6000, and 12000 pumps will only come with the basic controller out of the box, which is NOT capable of 0-10v input. As the photo shows above, there will be an additional controller available that will need to be purchased for the 0-10v capability"







5. Jebao DC pump without control box or speed dial

[rimai]

Yes, I used #3 and I just placed online yesterday.
I'm quite happy with it
I got the 5000 version.
It's actually quieter than the one I was using before, which was some unknown brand Eco something...
The pump starts very slow and speeds up to whatever speed you chose within 30 seconds. So, you don't get that initial rush of water you get from other pumps.
I initially used the controller that came with the unit and I wasn't able to go past the 2nd speed level. It has 6.
The 3rd speed level would pump more water than my drain was designed and I was getting water being raised to the air intake and causing it to go into full siphon, which caused inrush of water until air was allowed again and gurgle.
So, I left in the second speed level while I was reworking my code.
I disconnected their controller and let RA control it after I changed my code.
I found out that at 50% is when the pump breaks even with the amount of head I have. It's about 5 feet.
I played around for a bit with the % and settled for 60%, which seemed to be the same speed as the 2nd speed level of their controller.
Going back to your question, by just looking at the photos, I can only tell that #3 works, because that's the one I'm using. #4 has the same connectors, so it seems it will work too. #1 doesn't seem to have any controllability with 3rd party controllers, since it has a dial method. #2 may or may not. The only way to tell is by looking at the end of the cable that is not shown in the photo

[rimai]

Ok, so I've been using this pump for about 2 weeks and it performed really good.
Today, I decided to be adventurous, so I removed my durso stand pipe and place a plain pvc pipe in the drain.
After several unsuccessful tries, I finally came up with a code that I liked and worked pretty well for my setup.
The problem:
I've tried all different versions of stand pipe and they all have something in common... You must inject air into the drain pipe to avoid full siphon. I doesn't matter which one you use. You will always end up with cascading noise, even if it is minimal and a lot of bubbles in your sump.
The solution:
Use a Reef Angel coupled with a water level expansion and a Speedwave pump to control the flow of your drain based on the overflow water level, so you have a dead silent drain pipe

Don't mind the mess... Here is a video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r15TTX-KHZw[/youtube]

And here is the code I was using:

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#include <Salinity.h>
#include <ReefAngel_Features.h>
#include <Globals.h>
#include <RA_Wifi.h>
#include <Wire.h>
#include <OneWire.h>
#include <Time.h>
#include <DS1307RTC.h>
#include <InternalEEPROM.h>
#include <RA_NokiaLCD.h>
#include <RA_ATO.h>
#include <RA_Joystick.h>
#include <LED.h>
#include <RA_TempSensor.h>
#include <Relay.h>
#include <RA_PWM.h>
#include <Timer.h>
#include <Memory.h>
#include <InternalEEPROM.h>
#include <RA_Colors.h>
#include <RA_CustomColors.h>
#include <RF.h>
#include <IO.h>
#include <ORP.h>
#include <AI.h>
#include <PH.h>
#include <WaterLevel.h>
#include <ReefAngel.h>

#define Level         50
#define MinPWM        50
#define OperatingPWM  66
long nummillis=5000;

byte PWMValue=0;
unsigned long lastmillis=millis();
boolean override=false;

void setup()
{
  ReefAngel.Init();  //Initialize controller
  InternalMemory.WaterLevelMax_write(1800);
}

void loop()
{
  PWMValue=OperatingPWM;
  if (ReefAngel.WaterLevel.GetLevel()<Level-2)
  {
    override=true;
    lastmillis=millis();
    PWMValue+=2;
  }
  if (ReefAngel.WaterLevel.GetLevel()>Level+2)
  {
    override=true;
    lastmillis=millis();
    PWMValue-=2;
  }
  if (millis()-lastmillis>nummillis && override)
  {
    override=false;
  }
  if (!override) PWMValue=OperatingPWM;
  if (ReefAngel.WaterLevel.GetLevel()>Level+10) PWMValue=MinPWM;
  PWMValue=constrain(PWMValue,MinPWM,100);
  ReefAngel.PWM.SetActinic(PWMValue);
  ReefAngel.ShowInterface();
}

void DrawCustomMain()
{
  // the graph is drawn/updated when we exit the main menu &
  // when the parameters are saved
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawDate(6, 122);
  pingSerial();
#if defined DisplayLEDPWM && ! defined RemoveAllLights
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawMonitor(15, 60, ReefAngel.Params,
  ReefAngel.PWM.GetDaylightValue(), ReefAngel.PWM.GetActinicValue());
#else // defined DisplayLEDPWM && ! defined RemoveAllLights
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawMonitor(15, 60, ReefAngel.Params);
#endif // defined DisplayLEDPWM && ! defined RemoveAllLights
  pingSerial();
  char text[10];
  ConvertNumToString(text, ReefAngel.WaterLevel.GetLevel(), 1);
  strcat(text,"  ");
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawText(DefaultFGColor,DefaultBGColor,15,93,"Water Level:");
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawText(DefaultFGColor,DefaultBGColor,88,93,text);
  pingSerial();
  byte TempRelay = ReefAngel.Relay.RelayData;
  TempRelay &= ReefAngel.Relay.RelayMaskOff;
  TempRelay |= ReefAngel.Relay.RelayMaskOn;
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawOutletBox(12, 103, TempRelay);
}

void DrawCustomGraph()
{
  ReefAngel.LCD.DrawGraph(5, 5);
}

[Sacohen]

Thanks Roberto, great idea.

It looks like you would need 2 separate Water Level units if you are using one for and ATO in the sump, correct?

[rimai]

You can only use one Water level module per system.
I know it is an inconvenience. I'll have to see what can be done.

[Sacohen]

I know that will be overcome sooner or later.

[lnevo]

Yes, please

[Sacohen]

Roberto, where did you get the pump from?
There are so many variations and knockoffs of knockoffs, that I want to make sure I get the correct one.

[rimai]

premium aquatics

[bhazard]

Hold off on these. The new SpeedWave/Waveline/Jebao's (DC-6000) are coming in sometime in July. Supposed to have a few upgrades.

[oscarinw]

Just placed an order for the DC4000 @ aquarium specialty. Not sure if I'll want to use it with RA or not... Will this work on the PWMs or is it an analog signal?

[dapg8gt]

I so want one of these to replace my syncra 5. I need one soon though don't think I can wait till July lol.. I need a single pump for return and reactors so I don't know if the RA will be needed on this pump other than feed mode.. I wonder how a herbie drain will do ramped down in feed mode Vs off? Gotta look into that one I've never tried it. I'm guessing it will just lose syphon and make some noise but I think it should start back up faster as it's semi primed..

[rimai]

It works on both analog and PWM. You will need the same Jebao cable to connect to RA.
My concept works the same as herbie and when you enter feed mode and throttle down, you will have some noise but will establish full siphon really quick when it comes back.

[jsclownfish]

Your overflow idea reminds me of a wavebox. I suppose you could use the same idea to control the waves.

-Jon